The Raw Debate

The Raw Debate
What is the best food to feed domesticated dogs?


People are very passionate when it comes to the subject of what they feed their dogs, and with good reason. A good diet can contribute to a long and healthy life and even psychological well-being for our pets. The question is, what is the best food to feed domesticated dogs? While the majority of people feed a commercial kibble or canned food, many owners today are looking for other options.

A raw food-based diet is one approach that has grown in popularity over  the last decade, but  along with this growing popularity has come growing controversy regarding the benefits of feeding a raw diet.

One of the reasons people cite for feeding a raw diet is that it is a more “natural” diet for dogs. The theory is that wild canids would eat a diet mainly consisting of raw meat and bones, so people should try and mimic this diet when feeding their pets. However, the pet dogs that live in our homes do not resemble their wild cousins. We have bred dogs to have a range in size from the tiny Papillon to the massive Neapolitan Mastiff, and a variety of builds from the light-framed Whippet to the bulky Bulldog. In addition, there are breeds like the Bedlington Terrier that are prone to specific nutrient deficiencies. With all of these physiological differences between our pets and wild canids, can we be certain that what a wild canid eats is indeed an ideal diet for Rover?

One of the biggest challenges in deciding whether to feed a raw diet is the overwhelming amount of conflicting information, and the fact that much of this information is anecdotal in nature. There are numerous websites and message boards extolling the virtues of a raw diet and there are others condemning raw diets as unsafe and unhealthy. When choosing how and what to feed your dog, you need balanced information—information that outlines both the good and bad so that an educated choice can be made.

Below, we outline the major benefits and concerns regarding raw diets to help you in deciding if a raw diet would be right for your dog. Keep in mind there are benefits and risks associated with all choices of food for your dog, so you must decide if the benefits of a raw diet outweigh the potential risks. When making the best choice for your dog, it’s important to remember that what is right for you and your dog may not be right for someone else and their dog. A raw diet may not be appropriate for all dogs and before you decide what is right for your dog, you should discuss your options with your veterinarian. Consulting a canine nutritionist can also be very beneficial when designing a diet specific to your dog’s requirements.

Types of Raw Diets
There are two major types of raw diets: commercial and home-prepared. Commercial raw diets, which may be fresh or frozen, supply all of the dog’s requirements and are typically in a meat patty form.

Home-prepared raw diets usually consist of raw meat and bones, with veggies, fruits, supplements, and added grains. These diets may not be balanced each day but, if designed properly, should meet the dog’s requirements over the long term.

The Benefits
Safety. Over the past couple of years, there have been a number of pet food recalls. When preparing your dog’s food at home, you have total control of what you include in your dog’s food and where those ingredients are from.

Health. Raw diets (especially home-made diets) allow you to meet your dog’s specific needs. Raw diets can be prepared to avoid foods that your dog is allergic to and can be made to meet your dog’s specific nutrient requirements. The high water content present in raw food may allow you to feed more while still keeping the calories low for portly pooches.

Processed foods often have added preservatives that enhance product shelf life. Food that has been freshly prepared and has not been processed or had preservatives added is commonly considered a healthier choice. Commercial raw diets are usually frozen, which means they don’t require added preservatives.

The bones that are part of the raw diet are anecdotally considered to be good for dental hygiene, which can be good for overall health.

Other. Feeding a raw diet may provide your dog with a natural outlet for her chewing tendencies; this may help to improve her overall behaviour.

The Risks
Safety. Raw diets have been found to contain Salmonella, Campylobacter, Escherichia coli O157:H7, Clostridium perfringens, Clostridium botulinium, and Staphylococcus aureus, all of which are known human and canine pathogens. These bacteria are shed in dog stools and may be transferred to carpets and furniture as the dog moves around the house. These pathogens usually only pose a serious human risk to the immuno-compromised, the elderly, and young children; however, this is a very important consideration if you are feeding a raw diet and have people in these risk groups living in your home.

In addition, there is a potential risk to dogs from certain pathogens found in raw foods, such as Neospora caninum, found in raw beef, Nanophyetus salmincola, found in raw salmon, and Trichinella spiralis, which  is found in raw pork and wild game such as deer, elk, and moose. All of these pathogens can make your dog sick and are potentially fatal.

Feeding bones can cause choking, intestinal blockage or perforations, and chipped or broken teeth.

Health. Because it can be difficult and time consuming to adequately balance a raw diet, nutritional deficiencies, especially in vitamins and minerals, are a significant possibility. To complicate the matter even further, some nutritional deficiencies take many months to show up and you may not see the problems with feeding a particular diet until the animal has been eating it for months or years.

Raw vegetables are often poorly digested by dogs. Most of the nutrients in raw vegetables are rendered more available when they are lightly cooked and then ground.

Convenience. Feeding raw food is expensive and time consuming. The preparation of balanced meals for your dog every day can be a challenge to fit into a busy lifestyle. As a rule of thumb, if you are eating out more than three meals a week, you are likely too busy to properly prepare meals for your dog, so a home-made raw diet may not be the best choice for your life schedule.

Raw diets are particularly inconvenient if you travel frequently, whether your dog goes with you or stays behind. Many hotels are not equipped to deal with raw food storage, not all commercial brands are available everywhere, and some boarding facilities charge a premium for dogs on raw diets because of the space required for food storage.


Unfortunately, there is little scientific research on feeding raw foods. This means that some of the information provided here is based on anecdotal evidence and has not been proven at this time. Much of the existing research on raw diets surrounds the microbial risks of raw meats and is very important to take into consideration. Hopefully, future research into raw diets will allow you to make a more informed choice about what to feed your dog.

Laura Scott holds a Master’s degree in animal nutrition. She lives with two Golden Retrievers, a 12-year-old couch potato and 2-year-old who loves training and competing in dog sports. Liz Pask is a PhD candidate studying nutritional toxicology. She has two Labrador Retrievers who train and compete in a variety of sports.

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Wow. As per usual, the raw "crazies" come out and take everything out of context. I think this article was INCREDIBLY fair. 1) The article is stating the truth - all we have right now is anecdotal evidence that raw works. There is no arguing that. This is not an argument about conspiracies and big brands and who is paying for what. The end result is, no scientific evidence to back anything up, no long term studies, etc. We just don't know. 2) Yes, of course your five pound chihuahua is going to digest raw meat in the same fashion a 60 pound aussie will - they are both dogs! The question isn't between breeds ... what is being compared in the raw community is wolves to dogs. Scientists and researchers still aren't 100% sure how dogs evolved from wolves (don't take my word for it, or the internet's word - seriously, read some academic articles on the subject). Yes, they are relatives, but the fact remains - dogs are not wolves. Dogs are not wolves! I can't say this enough. Read "Part Wild," an amazing memoir about a woman and her wolf-dog hybrid. Once again: though related, dogs are not wolves. We cannot assume what works for a wolf will work for a dog. 3) If we must compare them, let us keep in mind that wolves in the wild live short lives, for various reasons - health concerns and malnutrition included. Now, moving on - I do feed some raw - I would consider it "supplementary feeding" - about 25% dehydrated raw, and 25% prey-model (the rest is kibble and canned). I feel it is the best thing for him because I know what he is eating and I feel good about that: fresh, wholesome food. That being said, will I feed this way forever? I don't know. It's working for us now, but I do not believe this is a "my way or the highway" type deal. I think we do need to look at the pros and cons (and yes, the risks and benefits) to EVERYTHING: canned, home cooked, kibble...and yes, raw. It would be so, so very irresponsible not to. Lastly, I would like to add - dogs are carnivores, but they are also scavengers. A little of this and that won't kill them. If you're going to feed ANYONE straight meat, let it be cats - they are the obligate carnivores (dogs are not, and it bears repeating when people get heated over this subject). All in all, do what is best for your own dog. And don't take an honest article that weighs the risks AND benefits as heresy. Relax - your dog sure isn't worrying about this. Do the best you can and move on.
Sun, 10/21/2012 - 19:04
The household pet evolutioned from the wolf some 11000+ years ago. Without doubt their diet was live/raw. There is no educated value shown to support the feeding of raw to my pets. Really, this is someone's misguided concept that my dog was wolf last week .. We have come a long way from the Dino and caveman days and In the same token, I dare those who feed their dogs ' cats raw, to change their diets to raw, we did evolution from the caveman did we not so what is good for Fido should digest just fine for you. Our ancestors and the canine ancestry age live/raw. I really doubt anyone who feed their pets raw would venture to eat what they preach. .... Not likely to happen. Food for thought ...our Pets evolutioned as have we, so to go back to wolf and caveman days seems unorthodoxed unless you are actually raising a pack of wolves. Oh and PS freezing the food beforehand only delays the inevitable. I dare any raw to go back savage eating ...
Fri, 08/26/2016 - 07:08
The world would be "evolved" not "evolutioned", it sounds better in debates if you use correct words. You seem to be attempting to compare humans with dogs and daring us to eat raw meat. Humans are built entirely different from a dog or cat, it's not something you can compare. They have stronger stomach acid than us and a much shorter digestive tract. You are comparing apples and oranges. A fully raw diet for a human would likely consist mostly of fruits and veggies with some sides of fish. There are humans who eat a raw diet, I eat about 75% raw myself.

Do you really think the dog is more evolved to handle extruded, over cooked food instead of fresh raw meat, organ and bone with a little produce?
Thu, 10/19/2017 - 07:48
According to the International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature, dogs ARE wolves. But I guess we should just take your word for it.
Mon, 10/30/2017 - 04:08
Well, the one thing I have learned over the years is never never never try to get a raw feeder to change their minds, LOL. While I admire their zeal and dedication it can get rather in your face. I feed a high quality 5 star pet food. My dog is the picture of health and draws attention no matter where he goes. He has never been sick and his teeth are white and shiny as his coat is great. He smells good and has energy to spare. Both my dog and cat were rescued as skinny starving animals and are now doing great. My last dog lived a long life and also looked super, again on a 5 star food. I trust the research done by these experts on what is healthy for my pet. I have no background in pet nutrition, I am guessing the people who do this do. So I am glad for you raw feeders that it is working great. But there is also a huge group of people who choose not feed raw, but do care about our pets that have pets thriving and living well on what we do feed. My son's cat is 12 and have never been sick since the day he rescued her, all on a good quality kibble!.
Mon, 01/07/2013 - 10:56
My dog ate Orijen and did nothing but scratch. He never ate it willingly, his teeth were covered in tarter, and his fur was dull. He was also kibble fat. Now he eats raw food. He loves mealtimes. His teeth are healthy, he smells good, his poo is tiny and he is slim. He is 9 years old and very healthy. He's allergic to chicken, but other than that raw food has been the best diet for him.
Mon, 02/06/2017 - 21:47
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Mon, 02/25/2019 - 07:15
I can tell that none of these people have ever been outside of the "First World Counties". Newsflash: If you've ever spent some time in the Philippines, you will see clearly that dogs are opportunistic predators - omnivores with a carnivorous bias. There's no Humane Society there. You will find feral dogs living in cities as well as forests. Basically, dogs will get food from the easiest source to survive. But when you see a dog digging through the garbage, they almost always go for animal substance first. If the meal is sufficient, they will not touch anything else. Dogs don't have as much fear of humans. They're not like the feral cats who would rather work at catching rats instead of getting the easy human dole out. Dogs will sit by the church or the market waiting for the human mercy scraps instead of hunt for rats or chickens. But, this is not to say that they won't. Because if you get a feral dog in your chicken coop, they'll kill the chickens instead of wait for your scraps. If some animal passes by a feral dog, the chase is on like donkey kong! In the Philippines, only the "ultra rich folks" feed kibble. Everybody else feed leftovers or stale meat - raw or cooked. And let me tell you... Filipino dogs will beat up your First World dog any day of the week and twice on Tuesday. So, let me ask you... when you feed your kids, do you prefer to feed them kibbles because you are guaranteed a "balanced nutrition"? Or do you feed your kids a variety of fresh, organic stuff that you gauge to be balanced in the all-in-all? There's no right or wrong answer to this question. But, as I know that most of you don't feed your kids multi-flavored kibble, I know that you don't really believe kibble is more superior to home-prepared dog food. What do I feed my dogs now? Kibble... why? Because I migrated to America and for some insane reason, premium kibble is cheaper than meat in America and I'm on a paycheck-to-paycheck existence. If they would come up with a nutritionally complete kibble for humans that are cheaper than Ramen, I'd be eating that too. P.S. And about the Pandas... They evolved into bamboo eating after thousands of years of environmental conditioning - prey was scarce and bamboo plentiful. So to survive, they started eating bamboo. And as a result, Pandas became sluggish, lazy bears who consistently cannot produce energy to do much more than sit and chew acres of bamboo. They can't even hibernate because of their diet. If we can start a re-conditioning project of Pandas, maybe we can make this population of bears much, much, much healthier and they wouldn't be endangered. Of course, it might take another thousand years to get there...
Fri, 02/08/2013 - 00:47
You're right about everything except one thing...

Most of America DOES feed their children multi-coloured multi-flavoured kibble.
Fri, 02/19/2016 - 15:02
Without extensive. prolonged scientific reasearch and backup data, the jury will remain out on raw diets. As mentioned, yes, our furry friends are direct descendents of wolves, but they have also been domesticated as well. And we humans did that. This means through "evolution" their needs and requirements have changed. Another thing to consider is when the dog eats his raw meal, which WILL at some point have the various pathogenic organisms present and then the dog licks the face of his familiy members, those pathogens are being transferred. No matter how careful we are, there WILL at some point be some cross contamination. I know that commercial supermarket dog foods leave a lot to be desired; however, there are some pretty healthy, well-balanced alteratives if you are willing to pay the price. Although I don't agree with the raw diet myself for my dog, I do respect those who do, provided they have done the research, made informed decisions, and can have the discipline and effort it takes to ensure their dog's nutritional requirements are being met.
Thu, 02/21/2013 - 17:15
Again we see the same argument on feeding raw. Of course there are no scientific studies. Why? First of all, any that have been conducted are refused by the scientific community and the control that pet food manufacturers have on the industry. Try reading Dr. Tom Lonsdale's book Raw Meaty Bones. He has been trying for years to get his studies peer reviewed, but to no avail. My challenge back to anyone is to find a scientific, peer reviewed study on long term safety of processed kibble. There are none! There are anectodal statements on both sides.

Certainly there are dangers in any type of food fed to dogs. Dogs can have issues with bones, as stated by the author, however, I have not seen this to be the an issue for the majority of dogs. Raw bones are pliable. Cooked or weight bearing raw bones pose the most risk. What is a balanced diet? Humans don't eat a balanced diet at every meal, but, rather through the course of a day or two. When feeding raw it is important that they get their dietary requirements over a very small period of time. Muscle meat, bones, and organ meat are the primary sources of these requirements. Veggies and fruit occasionally. Never grains. When was the last time you saw a coyote, fox, or any other wild canid graze for grains? Their teeth are designed for tearing and chewing muscle meat and crunching bones. It is only the pet food industry that states that grains are a necessary requirement in a dogs diet. Yes, they can consume and digest grains, starches, etc., but it is really not very healthy for them.

While we have dogs with many different characteristics that give us a wide range of size, look, etc., they all still have the same digestive system as their ancestors. Therefore, it stands to reason (anecdotal) that a raw food diet is beneficial.

Raw feeding does not have to be expensive, but it is more time consuming. It takes a little research to find raw food that is not expensive. I feed my four dogs for under $1 per pound on average. That is cheaper than most commercial kibbles.

As far as benefits there are more than what was stated in the article. Yes, on a meat and bone diet, not ground, teeth are kept clean by the chewing of the bone. Coats are healthy, shiny, and soft. Muscle tone is enhanced. They do not defecate as much and because it is raw, fresh food the poop dries up and disintegrates. Kibble fed dog's poop will sit for years looking the same way as it did when it first was deposited. Why do they poop more? Could it be that there is so much they can't digest due to the large amount of grains in kibble?

When it comes to bacteria, all raw food contains it. We handle raw meat for cooking and consuming in the human diet. If care is utilized there should be no dangers of getting ill. Dog's digestive systems are strong, short, and powerful enough to kill and quickly discard any bacteria involved.

In an age that humans are realizing that commercial, processed foods are unhealthy for humans and raw, fresh food is ideal it would stand to reason that the same would apply to our pets. All kibble is is waste from the human food industry. Proteins are suspect, corn is genetically modified, vitamins are synthetic, etc. How many dog food recalls have their been on contaminated products that have made dogs ill and even killed them? A good book to read is Food Pets Die for by Ann Martin. She breaks down what is found in kibble and what AAFCO allows.

As a raw feeder for over 6 years, I have fed raw to my Collie, 3 Corgi's and a Lhaso Apso with no issues whatsoever. I did a lot of research (anecdotal) before switching. I have very healthy dogs! Ive never had to pay the big bucks to have their teeth cleaned, nor have they ever gotten ill from salmonella, etc.

Thu, 01/09/2014 - 10:13
We swapped our three rat terriers over to raw food about one year ago. A few months after that one dog developed a hacking cough, which worsened a few months later to include some very nasty pure white phlegm. The vet has done many tests but couldn't find the source, so decided to treat her systematically for a possible lung infection a month or so ago. We took her again this week after vomiting and choking were added to the symptoms list. This led the vet to believe the problem is in the digestive tract, possibly due to raw meat bacteria like salmonella. So now she is being treated with GI antibiotics and wad temporarily taken off raw food and put on ID. In two days she is so much better, but it has been hard on her and on our wallet. Now we are debating putting all three back on to a high quality kibble such as Royal Canine. It is not an easy decision to make, as they loved the raw food. Ugh!
Wed, 02/05/2014 - 20:48
Why debate over raw vs. kibble. Simply cook the raw and the problem is solved. It's the best of both worlds providing both safety and healthy nutrition? I've been cooking for my sled dogs for years and 3 of my dogs recently died at the age of 15 and my other 3 fifteen year kids are still alive and healthy.
Wed, 04/23/2014 - 14:21
Your dog very likely had holes in her digestive track (i.e. dysbiosis), which produced an autoimmune response. She had already produced antibodies to deal with the kibble food and since that type of diet rarely changes, it remained consistent for her and so you seemingly didn't notice any symptoms. Once the raw food was introduced, her immune system went to work to deal with the new foreign bodies that were passing through the holes in the digestive track. A raw food diet for a dog with a leaky gut is definitely going to have a strong autoimmune response.

If you or someone comes across this comment and this happens to your dog, I highly suggest you look into healing your dog's gut before starting a raw or cooked diet for your dog. Look into the human GAPS diet and it'll work just the same for your dog. Once your dog's gut is healed, you should be able to feed them a normal diet again without any autoimmune issues.
Sat, 06/25/2016 - 10:18
Since my comment didn't fall in order of who I responded to, I was responding to Anonymous about her Rat Terrier.
Sat, 06/25/2016 - 10:54
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Fri, 12/14/2018 - 11:16
I hate to be a buzz kill to the raw diet, but my dog just died from e-coli associated with feeding her raw chicken. She probably would have survived it however, if I had a vet with a brain.
Here's the story. I switched my two pit bulls to raw from kibble in December 2013 after doing a little research (not enough) and at the advice of friends who have fed raw with no issues for years. my nine year old and four year old dogs seemed to have more energy at first, then on Jan. 27th my older dog quit eating and was lethargic. took her to the vet and told him of the diet change. he said he did not recommend it and then never mentioned it again, never asked me exactly what I was feeding her. I requested a senior blood panel since she had never had one and I figured it would show any abnormalities in her blood. I did not know it would not show e-coli. It came back normal. I did not ask him to specifically check for e-coli, and looking back I definitely should have. Hindsight is 20/20.

Two days later she is lethargic again, stomach spasms and cold to the touch. Back to the vet (same stupid one)Vet tech makes the comment "you are cold today girl" while he listens to her heart. NO mention of this very crucial symptom is ever made again, and I did not know it was crucial at the time. I also was not told her temp was below 100 which is also crucial. Vet takes an x-ray. comes back in and says "I can't find anything wrong with your dog other than she has a lot of stool in her intestines. She is constipated, just take her home and leave her in the yard for a while.You have a healthy dog that should live several more years". I got one more week.

I did not know that constipation is very bad for dogs on a raw diet because the bacteria etc can sit in there and cause e-coli. Nothing was given to me for that, no further blood tests, no urine test, nothing. I was somewhat uneasy about his diagnosis, but figured, he's the vet, he should know.
9 days go by, she is pooping and acting normal so we don't think about it again. Then on Feb. 8th she wakes up with the same symptoms. I am stupidly thinking constipation again. I call the vet he says "just watch her and bring her in on Monday if she isn't better." Several hours later she is no better. I call a different vet finally, but it is Saturday and they are gone. I call my dumb vet again, same thing, he is gone and the person says to take her to ER if she worsens. I'm spending all this time trying to google her symptoms to figure out what it is. I know it is not constipation because she pooped. She is also vomiting clear fluid. I am starting to panic. About 2 I am checking her gums which are pale, tell my husband I think she is going into shock and we need to rush her to ER. She tries to get up to follow me and can't walk. I am crying my eyes out because I know it's bad but am hoping that they can fix her.

The ER takes a bunch of blood and x-rays and comes in to tell us that there is fluid in her stomach which they suspect is septic. Prognosis is poor. I ask to see her. When they take me back there her eyes are dilated and I know I am losing her. I had just enough time for them to put her on a gurney in a private room before she died. Diagnosis: septic peritonitis with possible GI perforation. I have now lost my baby because I fed her raw. No second chance to make it right.

Needless to say I have filed a complaint with the AZ veterinary board. If he had cared to do what he should have she may have been saved at that second visit. There are so many variables to feeding raw that I did not know. Older dogs and puppies are susceptible to e-coli. Peritonitis is caused by e-coli and one of the symptoms is cold body temp among several of the other ones she had. Chicken bought from the store has all kinds of nasty things on it and should not be given to your dog. Some say to freeze it first, I did not know this until to late. Some say don't mix kibble with it, again I did not know this until too late.
Some people love raw. my other dog was fine, but she is also 4 years old and not in that more susceptible range.
So if you feed raw, be very careful and for goodness sakes have a GOOD vet!
Wed, 02/26/2014 - 12:50
"Some say don't mix kibble with it, again I did not know this until too late."

So you were feeding kibble along with the raw chicken? Exactly how were you feeding?
Thu, 11/20/2014 - 07:53
I have been raw feeding my dog for just under a year. He came to me on kibble from the rescue centre which we continued to feed. However, his first stool was loose and it rapidly got worse and worse. I went to the vet who put him on the ID food which was extortionate. He didn't seem to get any better. I tried some slippery elm which a dog-owner friend recommended and the loose stools seemed to improve. When I went back to the vet she poo-pooed the idea (excuse the pun) and said it must have been the food. I continued on the ID for another week with no improvement.

I started to look around for a better solution and was already aware of raw feeding but had had little success with a previous dog so was reluctant at first. I started just giving raw frozen chicken. Immediately, the loose stools stopped!

I gradually built up the food to include turkey, lamb, beef etc in the percentages similar to the prey model. We have not looked back. No diarrhea since and his coat has been glossy and no scaly skin.

We are lucky in that we have a raw food company near us and so it costs less than £1 per day to feed a 27kg dog.

I disagree with some of the above article. We went camping and still managed to raw feed it's just about planning ahead - the campsite we stayed on had a freezer. You can also get packaged foods similar to raw if you are going to be somewhere with no freezer. Plus, most places sell frozen meat for humans whereas not every place will sell your preferred choice of kibble.

Recently there were programmes on tv in the UK regarding the terrible poisons that have been found in well-known brands of dog food. I have always believed that it was strange that my parents fed their dogs kibble and the dogs lasted less than 10 years yet my grandparents who believed in feeding scraps to their dog had a dog who lived to around 18!

Chicken bones won't hurt your dog as long as they have not been cooked. Any cooked bone can cause damage as they splinter due to the reduced moisture content.

I don't believe in feeding vegetables or fruit. I don't imagine wild dogs would scavenge for fruit and veg (nor would they cook it in order to get the best possible digestion of nutrients!!). Many fruits and veg are actually poisonous to dogs - grapes, apple pips, onions etc

I am an advocate of raw feedings purely because I have seen what good it has done for my dog and others.
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Fri, 06/29/2018 - 08:12
What does Laura feed her dogs?
Sat, 06/21/2014 - 14:57
I wanted so bad to go raw! I have been trying to get my two Westies to eat Stella @ Chewys and Primal! Basically , they hate both. I give up! I have been force feeding them. They walk Away from their food until they are basically starving. I put down some orients kibble and they ate! So done, with trying to get them to eat a commercial raw diet! They don't like it. I gotta feed them something they actually eat! Any one else experience this?
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